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Octobe r 27, 1967 College Criticized Spocial Meeting Forum Will Feature Tapes of Paschal Show On Language Requirement Tonight's Forum program will consist of taped excerpts from a local phone-interview radio show telling what some townspeople think is wrong with New College. Prepared by Information Officer FurmanArthurfrom tapes of "Pub lic Opinion, the excerpts will show that the program 1 s moderator and anumberof Sarasotanswho call in to air their opinions have a wide variety of criticisms, ranging from student :ppearcnce to curriculum. Guy Paschal, the 66-year-old moderator, will discuss the issues raised in the tape at a special meet-ing with the college commtmity Wednesday at 8 pm in Hamilton Center. In a special interview with The Catalyst which appears on page 4, Paschal says his main concern is that some members of the college community have confused academic freedom with "tmwarranted license to subvert the loyalties of American citizens" in Sarasota. Paschal had long been a statmch supporterofNew College before his recent change of attitude. His program is aired weekdays on WSAFfrom4 pm to 6:30pm, with a news break from 5-5:30. Run-off Requested In Committee Race Two students w e r e elected last Friday to the faculty Architectural Planning Committee, but a run-off will be held to choose the one stu dent representative to the Educational Policy Committee. Third-year students Nancy Redick and Hilary Blocksom were elected to the ArchitecturalCommittcc. lect a student representative to a faculty committee. Vote totals for the Educational Policy Committee were: Baughman 52, Peters 50, Benoist 45, thirdyear student Gary Williams 34, third-year student Lee Wallingford 30, third-year student Judy Segal 28, second-year student Lee Harding 17, andfirst-year student Brian Peterson nine. The run-off will be held W ednesday from 1:30 to 6:30pm in the Reception Center. The Student Executive Committee will hold a special j:>int meeting with the Student Academic Committee Stmday at 2pm to discuss a set of recommendations for alter natives to the present language requirement made by the SAC. The recommended alternatives forfulfilling the lcnguage requirement, presented to the SEC Wednesday, include: ---Passing the Modem Language Association examination and demonstrating are ading ability in one language in the area of the student's major interest (the present requirement). ---Demonstrating a reading ability in two foreign languages. Ability in one language ccn be demonstrated at any time, and in the other duringthe last three terms of residence. ---"Eamingthree satisfactory course evaluations in a foreign language and demonstrating a reading ability in that language. ---No language, but four additional diversification "credits. Commenting on the recommendations, Assistant De en of Students Arthur Miller said it was a "shame" the SAC has tacitly recognized the need for grading courses and cotmt ing credits. He said a "major part of the New College experiment" will be abridged if the recommendations
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Pag e 2 The Catalyst October 27, 196 7 Editorial LeHers Mr. Paschal Bare Feet Not Just an Excuse Mr Paschal apparently would relegate academic professionals to second-class citizenship. The faculty, he says in The Catalyst interview on page 4, are not qualified to delve into practical politics or even "practical everyday hlUilan operations off campus. This is only as things should be, you understand, for the ivory-tower type happens to be the "very special kind of guy" suited to the job-apparently the job of entertaining fellow dream-weavers with his fairytales. As it tU1ns out, the faculty occupy a rather esteemed place in M:r. Paschal's social structure. Students would stand a notch belowthem, and the great masses a few ftnther notches below. Students are ''very brilliant, 11 says Paschal, but this is unforttmate in the short run since they are also immature and much too impatient with the world. Thus, not only are students just as unqualified as the faculty to dabble in practical affairs, but they are dangerous, as well, to the degree that they affect the opinions of "ignorant people or just coneheads in general, i.e. rouse the rabble. Better to let coneheads go on thinking their conehead thoughts, eh, Mr. Paschal? Like the suburoanite who's all for equal rights until Negroes try to move intohis neighborhood Paschal has shown himself to be afair-weather liberal. Paschal's ivory-tower concept ofeducationmakeshisdefense of academic freedom meaningless. He's for free expression but not if it has any practical effect. This kind of thinking seems unreasonable to theN ew College community, but it is unfortunately the thinking of a significant number of alarmed Sarasotans. The disaffection of Guy Paschal, then, maybe viewed as the college's over-all public relations problem in microcosm. We look forward to Wednesday's confrontation with Paschal not only as an opporttmity to change his mind, but as a chance to gain l.mderstanding of the thinking of a partly-sympathetic, partly-offended local populace. To the Editor: I believe your editorial "Proxy Issue" in the October 20 issue of the Catalyst was fair considering the information you have available. I know also that everyone in the development office must make sure he or she does not use "I can't get money from these people bee a use of student appearance and behavior" as an excuse for doing a poor job of raising money for a school where the outstanding accomplishments of the student body should make money so much easier to raise than if we were working for just about any other college. We like to think of ourselves as professionals. Evety member of the development staff has spent Goodwill and To the Editor: "LIBRARY IS OPEN ONLY TO EWCOll.EGEFACULTY, STAFF, AND STUDENTS. All OTHERS LIABLE TO TRESPASS." Ifthe administration is really interested in the good will o! the community, why is this sign posted in the library every evening? In the first place, the sign is rude. lf the administration feels that such a policy is necessaty, the sign might say something like "Ubrary restricted to the use of the New College commtmity after 8 p.m. Then the public would be politely informed that they could still use the library before the witching hoW'. Secondly, why is such a policy I bsty Resolution? Charge and To the Editor: As one of those who travelled to Washingtonlastwceklwant to call attention to the unfortunate effects of a hasty resolution passed by SEC immediately prior to our depar Te on urging the W asbtngton group not to identify itself by means of a New College banner or sign. The upshot ofthis resolution was that the New College contingent carried a sign identifying itself as the "Sarasota Committee to Stop the War." There is, to be sure, nothing wrong with the label "Sarasota Committee to Stop the War." But it needs to be pointed out that our group was marching in the Middle Atlantic-Southern Collegiate Division of the demonstration and in this division every group was idenut Supp l 9lle n t D elayed a Wee k Four short films, distributed by the German consulate and obtained for showing here by German tutor Michael von Gutenberg, will be presented free of charge tomorrow at 7 pm in the teaching auditorium. The films, which will run not longer than an hour in all, include: an English-language newsreel; a German-language travelogue-documentary; an experimental film; and "lbree Studies in Jazz.. Member Associated Collegiate P..., Volume N, No. 7 October 27, 1967 Publ.isned weekly 36 times per yea.r by student s at New College. Subscriptions: $5 per year, or 15 per copy. Address sub scription orders, ch..nge o! address notices and llldeliverable copies to: The Cc.J.y;t/ New College/ Post Office Box 1898/ Sarll$0-ta, Florida 33578. Applico.tion to mail at secaad-class postage rates pending at SanIOta, florida. Telephone 355-5406 or 355-5703. Edh:or Kenji Oda Associate Edh:or Laurie Paul3on Managing Edh:or Steve Otlofsky Advertisblg Jeny Neuga.tten Circulation Dole Hickam Photography Guy Williams Janitor ................... Allan JaworsKi Staff: Kit Arbuckle, Beyers, Muy Blakeley, Margaret Bryan, Michelle dayton, Jean Graham, Carola Heitman, John Iundell, Abby Misemcr, Stephen Olson, Mary J.ou Phillips, Margaret Sedensky, Beverly Shoemaker, K..Ue Smith, Edna Walker, Cheryl White tified by its school affiliation. It was, as far as I could see, the only non-college identification banner in the division. North Carolina University, New Paltz College and Stony Brook SUNY were there. But not New College. O berlin, Corne and Harvard ha 0-foot banners. Their student governments presumablyfoundnothingin this to object to. But the New College SEC had objected to just such a banner. What is more important about the banner issue than any embarrassment we might have felt was the positive impediment it put in the wayofourgettingto know the faculty and students from other institutions. Almost no one came over tofind out about r cw College because almost no one knew we were there. A valuable opportunity to spread the word aboutthcNew College experiment ;mong young intellectuals in the South and East was lost. I sincerely hope that in the future SEC will give more careful consideration to m:tters of academic freedom than it did in this case. The right of an individual to identify himself with his institution (though not conversely, of course) should be basic to student thinking. The point of principle is this: .!! even one student attends meeting or gatbering where identification institutional affiliation that student has aright to identify himself as a New Colliftian. And this right eXtends equ y to both ends of the political spectrum--to the YoungAmeric:ns for Freedom and the Young Socialist Alliance alike. W. C Humphreys Humanities To the Editor. This is a personal letter. I am not speaking f o r the SEC. I thank Mr. H u mphreys for presenting his letter to the last meeting of the SEC, s i n c e it gives me some chance to rebut h is otherwis e unchallenged allegations. As preface I here include the SEC recommendation in question in full: "The SEC, being strongly concerned with the possible consequences of the displa yal of a banner bearing the name 'New College' at the forthcoming demonstration in Washington, strongly urges that such a banner not be displayed by the 'Sarasota Committee to Stop the War.'" I sincere! y regret the loss of contact between our students and faculty and those of other schools represented at the Washington protest. I agree with what Mr. Humphreys says in this respect. However, I disagree with his allegation that the SEC recommendation was ill-considered for the following reasons: 1 ) The recommendation was cussed for over one-half hour at the SEC meeting at which time Jon Shaughnessy was repeatedly questioned about what he considered good reasons for displaying such a b anne r. The closest he came to the reason cited by Mr. Humphreys in his lette-was that displaying a banner would show other protesters that New College people were involved in the Washington protest. Please note that although the connection is close, publicizingthatNew College people are in the protest is not the same as fostering contact between our people and those from other schools. Neither Shaughnessy nor Performance Specialists MOT ORCYCLE AND AU T O REPAIRS High Q u.!lity-low P rice SARASOTA, FLORIDA 2 0 2 0 L IBERTY WAY All Work Guaranteed D I C K AMBLER OOWNTOW,... T(L.[PHONE 958.1 20 NORTH PINEAPPL SARASOTA FLORIOA SOTO Sarasota's Quoloty Opticians SUBURBAN TELEPHONE 055-068F 1843 HlLLVIEW SARASOTA, FLORIDA several years in fund raising. We know that many people use long hair and bare feet as "proxy objections." lf it wasn't that, they would find some other excuse. Let's forget these people. Four members of the board who attended last Thursday night's meeting could also have told you that long hair, bare feet and student behavior have effected their own persona giving or have made calls with me where we have been turned down by previous donors because of behavior or appearance. I would be glad to give you specific cases where people do know you, have visited the campus many times, have made large gifts to New College, and are not willing to continue because of student bethe Library necessary? Is it the security of the books that is at stake? Replacement of the few books which might be lost could be charged against the cost of community good will. The libraty committee seems to have lost its sense of proportion over book losses which our own students are probably responsible for in almost evety instance. And compared to othercolleges, ourlosses are moderate. Or, if con: em for the physical safety of the students is the reason, it should be remembered that villains bent upon mayhem would scaxcely risk easy identification by entering a brightly lit library. R;pists lurk in shadows. We congratulate ourSelves on "the cultural advantages that New ColRebuttal anyone else explicitly made this coonectionduring the SEC discussion of the recommendation. Thus the reason for displaying a banner M r Humphreys cites in his letter was not considered because it was not b rought up, although Shaughnessy had ample opportunity to do so. 2) At a meeting of the people going to Washington at which Shaughnessy and Mr. Humphreys were present Steve Hendricks and I presented the SEC recommendation and reasoning and requested that the group vote on w h e t h e r as a Col:Tege banner. This vote did not preclude either individuals carrying l> entire world witne sing its failun:s as well as its And all th(' while delivering an incredihlt for tlw folJ..s at honw deralized power systt>rns. And ... whtn \ "Oil have to show rarnirl"S and pay taxes whii< keeping tlw cost of ;Jectri city trending tlou:tt, have to find better ways to do things. Flonda" s Elec/ric Compan1es -Tupaymg. Investor-owned FLORIDA POW E R & LI GHT COMPA N Y GULF POW E R COMPANY FLOR I DA POWER COR PORA TION TAMPA E LECTR IC COMPANY **************************

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October 27, 1967 on cam Funer-0 I m I cautiously raised myself from the ground and looked in the direction from which the shot had come. Seeing the figure of a man disappearing toward the dorms, I took after him. The man was running with great speed, but I managed to keep up with him. Grabbing the man around the legs, I brought him to the ground. It was only then that I got a look at his face. To my surprise, it was one of the most respected members of the faculty! "Excuse me, sir, I said, "but I JUSt had to catch you. "Quite all right, he said. "I'm always glad when students get hold of me. Do you want to discuss an Independent Study prOJect?" "Not exactly, I said. "I JUSt thought you might have seen who fired that shot at me. "Yes, I did," he said. "I fired the shot. "But why?" I asked, perplexed. "I think there may be several answers to that question, he replied. "I've been really upset lately about parking regulations. Afterall, thesticker doesn't really go with the decor of my car; also I feel that, by encouraging conformity, the regulations are actually an attempt by the administration to stifle the peace movement. Conversely, the existential predicament, predicated on the seeming duality of purpose best exemplified in the instance related by .. I knew there was no point in hoping to discuss the matter intel ligently any further--obviouslyhe was a philosophy professor, and had no intention of answering my question. There was one more thing I hadtoask, however. "Why do you have a black spot below your left eye?" I inquired. Theprofessorwassilent, so I was, of course, immediately suspicious. Obviously, the spot was significant, but I had no idea in what way. I let him up, and he continued to ward the dorms "Don't forget your language requirement, "he shouted back to me. In the next several days, I became increasingly aware that there was an element on campus not appreciative of my presence there. That very night, my bathtub blew up only seconds after I had left it to retrieve a bar of soap I had dropped under the sink. The next day, I received in the mail a box of sugar SANDWICH SHOP 1028 Washington Boulevard e Eat In Our New Dining Room e us with Laurie Pau/so11 Sar-Osota : II cookies, ostensibly from Great-Aunt Martha in Chicago. An analysis made by a chemist of my acquaintance reve:ied they were full of cyanide! And, most serious of all I came near to being killed before' I discovered there was ground gla;s sprin_kle_d in my veal cutlet. (This last mc1dent was especially serious because I had, several weeks before, given up looking at the meat because of a chronically weak stomach.) In none of these incidents, however, was I able to determine who had tried to do me in. I was absolutely puzzled--there were no clues. at all, except for the professor w1th the black mark on his face. And I was unrole to connect him in any way with the theft of the college's gold bouillon. I was almost ready to report to my chief, that my investi gatiOns had been fruitless when a light finally dawned. One of my professors suddenly appeared in with a black spot just below h1s left eye, which he explained as being the result of an ink fight he'd had with his six-year-old son. This might have been plausible enough, except for the gold brick he used as a paperweight. !thought that, for once, I might be on to something. Sure enough, at the end of class the philosophy professor who had shot at me came in, and began conferring with my professor. I managed to overhear enough to determine that some sort of meeting was taking place that night at 9 in the President's Dining Room, and I distinctly heard him say "wear your mak. 11 I realized that this might be the verybreakiwas looking for! I knew that my next task was to devise a way to hide in the President's Dining Room to hear the proceedings of the meeting. Remembering that I h:rl climbed in the President's liquor cabinet once before. I drilled a small hole in thecabinet'sdoor, large enough to see through. Through the hole, I would view the meeting. Because of my great dedication to duty, I went into the cabinet about anhourearly. All I was able to determine was that the cabinet was well-stocked, and I was in the middle of further investigations along the same line when someone entered the room. It was a faculty member I knew and respected, and he was wearing a black mark just below his left eye. Other professors came in, until the room was filled, I estimated that about half the faculty were there, and all of had the black marks! I was shocked by this, and by the talk I heard, of the "job" and "grabbingthe gold" and "downfall of the college. But I was shocked beyond all belief when another faculty member came in and began to chair the meeting of the college's destroyers. !twas ARB himself! (To be continued. ) GOLDEN HOST 8 0 Beautiful Rooms -'50-Foot Poo l Putting Green-Ba hi Hut Cocktail Lounge 4675 N Tamiami T r ail 355-5 141 Abby Misemer says: "I don't know much about pool but I know what I like." A paid advertisement by Kue & Karom Billiards Smith Specialty Co. Whol esale Distributor s Sarasota Florida The Catalyst SEC (Continued from page 1) of involving as many students as possible in such work. SEC Chairman Ted Shoemaker said he had made the appointment onthebasisof Neugarten's past interest and ability in contacts with the public, and said N eugarten was willing to give a great amount of time to the committee. Hendricks, while expressing "reservations" about N eugarten 's appointment, said he should be given time to demonstrate his effectiveness. Neugarten was fin:ily approved as Chairman by a6-1 vote, with Paulson opposed and first-year representative John Esak abstaining. The SEC approved second-year student David Rottman as student prosecutor without opposition. Rottman replaces Neugart:en, who resigned as prosecutor to take the public relations post. Paulson abstained on the vote for Rottman's approval, Amotion, recommendedbyNeugarten, that the SEC urge the Friday night forum to be "substantially improved," was passed. A report by Library Committee ChairmanDonAronoff that Librarian Dr. Corinne Wilson may close the library at night if more students do not make use of the facilities brought a unanimous recommendation by the SEC that the library kept open to llpm regardless of the number of people using it. A motion by Paulson that names and addresses of students not be given to outside sources by the De an of Students office unless the SEC is specifically requested to allow circulation of the information was passed by majority. A recommendation moved by Hendricks that the new West Campus Dormitories be designed to make them inaccessible to "casual" visitors to the campus was passed unanimously. Page 3 Miller repol1l:d a theft from a girl'sroom and several incidents of girls' rooms being entered by nonstudents, and urged the locking of doors by girls. Miller stated in the case of emergency, he should be notified. If he is not availrole, a faculty resident or the proctor should be called. He said students should not make calls for ambulances without consulting some senior person. A $200 Student Activities Fund appropriation for a Halloween Dance November 4 was approved. Social Committee Chairman Ruth Stange said an admission fee of approximately $.SO will be charged and any surplus funds will be returnedtothe SAF. Stange also reported Recreation Director Frank Meyer had donated $75 to pay for movies for the dance. It was decided only students and their guests would be permitted to attend the dance. Resolution (Continued from page 2) Before the vote Shaughnessy again had opportunity to cite reasons in favor of the banner. He repeated substantially what he had told the SEC, again without citing the reason stated in Mr. Humphreys's letter. Mr. Humphreys admitted at the last SEC meeting that at the time he did not think of this reason either. The voted not to carry a New College banner as a group. I believe the above two points show that the SEC recommendation was not prima facie ill-considered because the cited reason was not given the SEC for consideration. At least the recommendation was no more ill-considered than the decision of the groupgoingto Washington since both groups were given the same reasoning. If Mr. Humphreys would want to contend that the decision of the protesters was e qua 11 y ill-considered, he must at least not exclude himself from ill-considering since he has admitted that at the time he did not think of the reason he cited in his letter either. 3) Mr.Humphreyshas said that as the protest in Washington began it became clear that our group was the only one in their section carrying a banner bearing something other than a college name. This caused the loss of contact that Mr. Humphreys reported. He has said, at the last SEC meeting if not in his letter, that at the time he tried to get the group to alter their decision on the basis of new evidence, but that they would not do this because of fear of some sort of SEC censure. He seems to blame the SEC for this fear because they "strongly" recommended. Per hapsthe"strongly" didcause some apprehension, but if it was fear of the SEC rather than apprehension about the effect of a banner on the college, then it was the ignorance of the protesters rather than the SEC action that was responsible for it. There is of any sort that the SEC is empowered by the students to give. The Student Bill of Rights prevents S lost facto prosecution of any tu ent CodesthattheSECmight have illconsideredly passed in this case. Any other action of the SEC would have been gratuitous. Moreover, even if the group did not reverse its decision, any individual m ember might have raised a New College banner anyway. As a faculty member Mr. Humphreys is not subJect to action of the SEC and hence had absolutely no grounds forapprehensionofSEC "censure." There was nothing to prevent Mr. Humphreys from raising a New College banner ifhe felt the situation required it. Again, I do regret the loss of contact Mr. Humphreys cites but I reJect his attempt to lay the re sponsibility for this loss on the SEC. I think it is clear that either his allegation that the SEC recommendation was ill-considered is groundless or he must accept responsibility for equal ill-consideration at the time the recommendation was presented to the protesters, and that by considered action in Washington Mr. Humphreys Rimself could have prevented the unfortunate loss of contact. (signed) Ted Shoemaker SEC Chairman This man is: A. J uggling B. Throwing pizzas C Discussin g Venezuelan architecture D. None of these Cis correct. Pictured here, Associate Pro fessor Peter Van Deursen Haven d iscusses Venezuelan architecture at Central Unlver sity In Caracas with students enrolled in World Campus Afloat-Chapman College during the Spring 1967 semester at sea. This group was one of many to fan-out over Caracas for various course-related field experiences during the several days the s.s. RYNDAM, campus and dormitory for the traveling students and faculty, was docked In the South American port. Professor Haven now teaches art courses at the University of Miami, Florida. His students have transferred credits earned aboard the floating campus to their home campuses and have resumed regular classes. One is from South Dakota, majoring in Sociology at Tabor College in Hillsboro, Kansas; another Is a junior In Political Science at San Francisco State College a third is a sophomore in Latin American Studies at Indiana University and still a business student at Santa Monica City College in California. As you read this, more than 500 students, representing 200 colleges and universities throughout the country, accompanied by a distinguished faculty, already have embarked from New York for the Fall 1967 semester which will take them to ports in Europe, Africa and Asia, returning to Los Angeles via Honolulu. Students are now enrolling for the Spring 1968 semester and wlll depart from Los Angeles to engage in shipboard study supplemented by visits to ports ln Peru, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Senegal, Morocco, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Italy, Portugal, The Netherlands and Great Britain, terminating in May in New York. To discover how you can include the Spring semester at sea in your college plans, complete the coupon below and mail at once. I Chapman College Orange. Coliforno 92666 -C St t I I ampus a e I Name Present Status: I LAST FIRST Freshman 0 I I Name of Schoo Sophomore 0 1 I Campus Address Junior 0 I I City State ip __ Senior DO I Permanent Address Tel.__ Graduate I City _State Zip__ I I M. I Interested in: 0 Falll9_ 0 Spring 19semester at sea. Age I SAFETY INFORMATION: The s.s. Ryndam,registered in the I I Netherlands, meets International Safety Standards for I

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Page 4 The Catalyst October 27, 1967 Catalyst Interview Paschal Criticizes Campus Activism Guy Paschal, 66-year-old writerinventor-broadcaster and long a staunch supporter of the New College experiment, has recently become disillusioned with tlle school, or so it seems from the comments he has made on his radio program. Tofindoutwhat this man's thinking is on the progress of New College, The Catalyst conducted the f o 11 owing interview with him Wednesday. (Also see news story, page 1.) Q: Is is true you have become disenchanted by the college? H so, why? A! I've always been enthusiastic about the academic freedom accommodated by the general New College plan. I mean academic freedom to study, thin1<, and dis cuss, and write, and express as you please, as it satisfies your curiosity. THat's more or less intramural activity. But I think norm a 1 a c ad e m i c freedom shouldn't be confused with unwarranted license to subvert the loyalties of American citizens. When the college, either through indiv i d u a 1 s or small groups or as a unity, undertakes political activity in the community in which it is located and particularly in wartime, when some of its people are preaching a gospel which seems to favor the form of government of the North Vietnamese enemy, at that point I take issue with what is being done. Q: Specifically what activities do you object to? A: We are in a war which I believe has to do with ideology. And I think it's dangerous when people start arguing with our citizenry that our enemy's form of govem.ment is better th:n ours and therefore we are wrong and that in fact it is a monstrous :nd brutal effort we're making in Vietnam. I think this is changing the loyalties very strongly of those whom these individuals come in contact. Now, I understand there are only about eight or 15 students at New College who are hard-backed Ma-xists who disapprove of free enterprise, private initiative, and many of the other basic principles of American society. But it isn't that there are 10, 15, or only one. If there is only one and he is changing the opinions of American citizens so that it reduces the efficiency of our war effort then I blame the administration of the college for permitting this political activity to get off campus. Q: Mr. Lindsay (editor-publisher of the Herald-Tribune) is against the war. If you can condone his sowing dissent through his editorials, why not New College activism? A: I didn't .know Mr. Lindsay was sowing dissenskm. I believe he is saying, support the military effort until we get out, but get out as quickly as we can, honorably. I think his argument that it is tactically wrong for us to be fighting on the other side of the world is verywidelyseparated from the argument that we are wrong in this war because we are fighting the wrong people, that actually we ought to have the enemy's form of govcmment. CYCLE SALES, INC. 2530 17 >t STREET "TIIE SOUTH' S BF.ST SERVICE" 1525 St .. te Street Q: Howwidespreadis the disaffection with campus activism? A: I would say it probably runs among 10% of the citizenry. Let me put it this w;v: the activities of Shaughnessy and Pini have worsened your image by double in the last year. Q: Would things be different if we weren't at war? A: Very much so. so upsetting to the .. .,u.,,ru Paschal ry as something that appears to interfere deliberately with the war effort, particularly if it is something which indicates preference for the enemy. Q: You are critical of the college administration for permitting antiAmerican activism. What would you do if you were president? A: Well, I would just say: kids, while we're at war there can't be nearly as much freedom anywhere, either in colleges or outside, because war is a matter of life and death. This is the life and death of the individuals in this country, the fa m i 1 i e s, the communities, and the nation itself. We must be as unanimous a; possible in our support of this war or we may lose it, or get into such trouble that it may mean our destruction, and that's the destruction of all of us. As the administration of this college we say that any activities of the students of this college which are thoroughly demoralizing to the American war effort must stop. If it does not stop it will mean suspension or expulsion. Q: On one of your recent programs you called New College students "precocious and green." How does this attitude affect your views on A: New College students are particularly precocious. I think they're picked that way. As far as "green 11 goes. I think you're immature. I think everybody's immature until age 25. Having been through university myself and having had two sons who went through university, I have experienced this stage of life where there is a tremendous dissatisfaction with the world, with the of the world, with the general adult populace, and where there is a nervous drive to see things changed suddenly. On top of that I've seen what happens in ten or fifteen yeaw. This all has led me to believe that this is a passing phase in lium:n life between the 15-25 when yotmg men

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